i don't think that speaks well for a man who would take on the position of treasury secretary. >> greta: president obama says he facilitates deal, citing president reagan and speaker o'neill on social security and president clinton and a republican congress on the issue of a budget deal. i am curious whether you agree that he has brought the two sides together. if so, where has that been in the last go-round, the last 18 months? >> the last fiscal cliff deal, he -- his chief of staff at the white house, he was involved in the negotiations. they went nowhere until senator mccog urged vice-president bide tone get involved. that's when an agreement was reached. it wasn't jack lew that reached that agreement. he also, when he agreed to the budget spending reductions as part of the budget control act, 18 months ago, he -- he proposed a budget, the next budget that they put forward, wiped out 60% of those cuts, even though he agreed to them in august and january, he was proposing to giving back 60% of them and spending more money -- >> greta: i guess it's pretty clear -- i guess it's pretty c